No, average is NOT beautiful. Average is average. If little girls want to play with stumpy-legged chubsters, well, so be it. But let's not pretend that this is going to promote "realistic beauty standards", not without going out and shooting models, cheerleaders, actresses, and other beautiful young women.Thursday, March 6, 2014
"Average is beautiful"
No, average is NOT beautiful. Average is average. If little girls want to play with stumpy-legged chubsters, well, so be it. But let's not pretend that this is going to promote "realistic beauty standards", not without going out and shooting models, cheerleaders, actresses, and other beautiful young women.
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What's average about 19? If he wanted average, shouldn't he have made the doll an average 40 year old?
I clicked on the link. That new doll got back! Just sayin'.
Another silly shot fired in the war on objective, measurable standards of beauty.
To Laguana Beach Fogey - I noticed the same thing about the booty.
And this doll is NOT average - this doll is HOT compared to most of what I see strolling around out in public.
Yeah he knows the Land Whale Line of dolls prolly won't sell. So slightly less hot Barbie now = Average
I'm pretty sure that if I put both dolls down in front of any young girl, they would choose to play with the regular Barbie.
~ Stingray
so when are they going to start celebrating the average man? http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1400698/thumbs/o-USA-BODY-900.jpg?1
Yeah, his so-called average doll still has a flat stomach and no double chin or fat bulges starting on her triceps. Add the long hair, and she'd easily be in the top 10% of what's walking around these days. Since she's not that realistic either, girls who want to play with pretty, feminine dolls might as well pick the obvious Barbie.
Average doll: hot or not?
LBF, hard to say, looking at a plastic doll. But a real girl with that shape, the long hair, and a nice face....yeah, I think she could be somewhat hot, or at least attractive (way too much in the trunk for me, though. I don't know where he got his dimensions, but I don't see many white chicks with an ass that big and no belly to match). Dangerous, though, because that shape at 19 could very easily be a sign that she's gaining weight and will be a whole lot heavier at 29.
Bigger arse than Barbie, which is a plus, but a significantly worse hip-to-waist ratio, which is a big negative. Apparently the measurements come from here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_11/sr11_252.pdf
This gives her a 34 inch waist. I've gotta say as a 175lb guy clocking in at 5 foot 9 on a good day, I do not want a girl I'm with to have 4 inches extra in the waist than me. How is that something to aspire to?
Agreed with comments above. This "average" doll is still a step up compared to the common out there. Look for much gnashing of teeth over how it sets the bar too high. The caboose on the blond one does look like an early indicator of 50+ pounds in the next six years unless she was to work out far more frequently than the average.
As you say, there will always be hot chicks as the ideal beauty standard is ingrained. What we need is fewer fat and hideous chicks that have given up on even tryng to look average; if this doll can help even a small percentage of those girls that have completely given up in even trying, to be less fat and hideous, then thats a net gain, right?
Cail, yeah, I'd probably do her--she looks eerily like a 20-year old I banged two years ago--but that's it. The assertive ass is certainly a harbinger of much weight gain in future. Plus, the size of her feet gives me pause. Don't they say that puppies with big paws grow up to be big dogs...? Still, it's just a doll. lol
The chubby American girls I see who kind of resemble her are usually wearing (1) pajama bottoms in public and (2) flip-flops everywhere they go. And they eat a lot of cupcakes. Maybe the toy makers will add pajama/flip-flop/cupcake accessories to her ensemble.
Heh, yeah, I noticed she had enormous feet, at least compared to Barbie. Gotta be a man's size 12 shoe, at least. So she carries most of her extra weight in her ass and in her feet, not in the belly, arms, or face like most girls. That CDC report doesn't give measurements for hips or feet, so I guess he could pad those as much as he liked.
Here's a better picture comparing the two: https://s3.amazonaws.com/crowdhoster/youinadollsworld/uploads/ckeditor/pictures/data/000/000/011/content.jpg
That first picture is misleading and does look like a somewhat average girl. But that picture doesn't do the doll justice. Or maybe does it too much justice.
There's an uncanny valley effect in that last picture Marissa linked to. No real girl looks like that, with that much extra weight but none of it flabby. No girl with a 34-inch waist has upper arms that skinny. It's like he wanted her to look thick without looking fat, but it just ends up looking weird.
yes, the doll, if human, would still be hot (dat ass!)
but my favorite part, is that even though women have been whining about barbie for years. who actually does something about it? was it a woman? no! a man did it.
yep, lets encourage them to shoot for average...and if they miss the mark a little, well, they are only a little below average...
That ought to help society.
I agree, Cail. I remember the fun thing about Barbie was her shape. Your little girl hand could wrap around her waist and make holding her and manipulating her (like "walking" her around) very easy. An amorphous blob on the other hand doesn't seem as ergonomic.
Also, I hereby propose we go full Harrison Bergeron and ensure all women in classic art are defaced and made more average. Because that's what art and entertainment are all about.
It's funny that feminists love to point out those prehistoric fertility dolls with the exaggerated hips and bellies as if those mean something, but they hate Barbie with her (supposedly) exaggerated measurements. Wonder why that is.
And this doll is NOT average - this doll is HOT compared to most of what I see strolling around out in public.
Hotter than the average 19 year old? Not where I live.
So, assuming the near unavoidable back lash that will likely come in the form of....nobody playing with this doll compared to the hotter Barbie brand....does this effort represent a macro-societal level black knighting on the part of Mr. Lamm?
Ok, hands up if you're banging 7ft tall super models. Yeah, didn't think so. Barbie is a caricature. Would I get up in arms about little girls playing with Barbies? No. But don't let's pretend that she's a standard of feminine beauty -unless of course you think the average swimsuit model is a dumpy.
Still too thin and not enough on the cankles for fat accepters to embrace.
I really doubt they referenced CDC stats to evaluate an 'average' woman's body habitus. She'd be much heavier, bordering morbid obesity.
HB 5, would not bang.
There will never be a doll that accurately reflects the "average' American woman because you can't make plastic replicate that cottage cheese look.
"It's funny that feminists love to point out those prehistoric fertility dolls with the exaggerated hips and bellies as if those mean something.."
Because they think it's every man's desire is to have sex with a woman who is ALREADY PREGNANT WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S KID.
"yes, the doll, if human, would still be hot (dat ass!)"
Oh, please.
"HB 5, would not bang."
You realize, don't you, that by definition, a 5 due to loss of points for being overweight is not an HB (Hot Body).
It doesn't help that they gave it an unfeminine pose like its getting ready to throw a punch or do a chest bump in the picture Marissa linked.
Average is envious, and trying to destroy others to hide it.
'Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of them all'......
Average may be beautiful, but below average is still ugly.
30 years ago, average was fit and trim and indeed was beautiful.
Today, average is 40 pounds overweight, and by no means is anywhere close to attractive.
I'm just surprised none of these people have ever watched japanese anime.
Yup, I figure this could open up a whole new line of commerce! Average products for your average child!
My Medium-Sized Pony.
Normal Bake Oven
Connect Two, or Maybe Three
Somewhat Peckish Hippos
And a whole new line of comic books, too!
Pretty Good Friends
The Average Four
Aluminum Man
And for girls: Usual Woman!
1) Ask these same women if the average height man (5' 9.5") is handsome. When it comes to body shape, nobody has a more unrealistic standard than women about men's height.
2) There's a reason cartoon characters are drawn anatomically wrong (like only having 4 fingers). When images become small you have to exaggerate the proportions in order to make them seem correct to the human eye. That's why these dolls "looks" wrong to the human eye (even they they are correct) and something like a Barbie doll "looks" correct (even though it is wrong.
I also don't hear any women complaining about Ken's just as unrealistic proportions. According to wiki:
Although Ken is thought to stand 6-feet tall (Only 15% of men are 6' or taller) in accordance with Barbie's 1:6 scale, Yale University psychologist, Kelly Brownell, stated that to size up to what Barbie looks for in a mate, "a man would have to grow 20 inches taller and add nearly eight inches to his neck circumference, 11 inches to his chest and 10 inches to his waist to resemble the muscular Ken."
Paul, lol
I think men should follow this example and demand that GI Joes represent the average of all soldiers, including those overweight ones on a physical profile due to overeating. Also, He Man doesn't at all represent realistic standards because my lats will never be that big.
The monster from lake Wobegon.
It doesn't help that they gave it an unfeminine pose like its getting ready to throw a punch or do a chest bump
You scared of grrrrl power bro?
Hey - my punches are plenty feminine. I know this because my husband just laughs at me, and my hand hurts afterwards. Him and his darn deadlifting self.
The first thing I thought of when I saw those "Lamily" dolls was Snookie, or a young Dolly Pardon without the jugs.
Regardless, they do not represent "average". Average is more like dipping Lamily in a vat of melted white chocolate and letting her air dry.
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